and this is the kind of person i am, just a big bad wolf who thinks she's a little lamb.

[intrikate88]

So I watched "The Unquiet Dead" last night...

...and you remember the plot, how the Gelth were trying to break through the Rift in Cardiff and use corpses to become corporeal before. They explained that during the Time War they had lost their physical forms and that they were trapped. They had to use someone they had been talking to since her early years as a bridge to come through the Rift- Gwynneth, the maid.

That REALLY isn't too different from some of the plot in EoT, is it? The Time Lords, apparently, were going for being beyond dimensional, corporeal beings; the Doctor trapped them all inside some sort of temporal field, erasing them from history and the universe. They were struggling to come through a little crack, and managed it through the brain of someone very sensitive to their calls- the Master.

I wonder if there is any way possible that the Gelth were Time Lords? That would add even more dimensions to Nine's perspective during that episode- first he's trying to make sure they really don't mean any harm, he wants to help them, he's giving them a chance. But then they show their true natures, as the Time Lords eventually did, and he knows it's time to blow that shit sky high. After first taking Rose to the end of her world to show her how he, too, has watched his world end, he then shows her how very far the Time War reaches, and what a personal cost it has.

Thoughts?

Comments

[ninamazing.livejournal.com]

Um, okay, honestly? :D *_* I pretty much think, "That is a very genius interpretation of RTD being careless!" Like, I'm pretty sure the crack affects his memory. So he probably was not planning that from the beginning. (Although I bet he would say he would, the Leela-hater! I mean what.) (Oh my God, is Leela in Futurama a commentary on Leela in Doctor Who? Yeah, my brain is very scattered right now. Sorry. Heh.)

I'm sure it would be kind of funny to an outsider that we all have this understanding that RTD is just addicted to some kind of CRAZY ALIEN CRACK. But it makes SO MUCH SENSE, is the thing. IT'S THE ONLY WAY TO EXPLAIN ALL THIS.

Also Roooooooooose. ♥

[intrikate88.livejournal.com]

Oh, I totally don't believe he planned it. I mean, jesus, this is RTD. I'm pretty sure the finale was him piling up all of his fanfics and saying I WILL MAKE MAJOR CRACKFIC WITH EVERY ONE OF THESE POINTS. ("Hmm, I like this fic I wrote where Ten and Wilf have a conversation about Donna. And these twenty slashfics with the Master. OH and TOTALLY the kinkfic where both of them wind up in the leather straps." And then he just had so much momentum that no editor could catch up.)

But I also think that in the case of this show, reader-response criticism is pertty much the way to go. THIS THING IS OURS NOW.

Rose! I need to watch/analyse all these again for when I do that Journey's-End-Rose-Is-Like-Nine fic. She probably takes Ten II to all the sort of places that Nine took her.

[thunderemerald.livejournal.com]

I'm sure it would be kind of funny to an outsider that we all have this understanding that RTD is just addicted to some kind of CRAZY ALIEN CRACK.

I've tried explaining this to outsiders. My response was a sort of bemused "...okay..."

[thunderemerald.livejournal.com]

Ahahaha! Don't think there's any possibility of them being Time Lords, but I do wonder if the two were connected. THEORY: the Time Lords came up with some sort of way to separate consciousness from body... but before they did it themselves, they tested it on a "lesser" race of beings -- the Gelth. The Gelth lost their physical forms, and used Gwyneth to pull themselves out of the Time War so they could regain what they'd lost. (Maybe that's even where the Time Lords got the idea to use the Master in the same way.)

I like the idea that Nine wanted to show Rose the personal cost of the war, but I really think him finding the Gelth was an accident. BOO.

(I rewatched "Rose" last night. GOD, Nine was such a lovable douche in the beginning. But you know what? So was Rose. That last line to Mickey was just MEAN.)

[intrikate88.livejournal.com]

I like your theory, it sounds likely.

I like the idea that Nine wanted to show Rose the personal cost of the war, but I really think him finding the Gelth was an accident. BOO.

Oh, totally. He was aiming for Venice or somewhere anyway. But whether or not it was on purpose, he did show her that, and it was another significant building block of the self that he was giving to her.

Lol, they were douches. Poor, poor Mickey; his story is kind of epic and terrible. But I always did love Nine's douchiness; I tend to like the acerbic types.

[a2zmom.livejournal.com]

I love your thoughts here.

[sam-gonhue.livejournal.com]

Given that Mark Gatiss wrote the Unquiet Dead and RTD wrote the End of Time...it was either a coincidence or RTD just nicked the idea...